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01-01-2006, 09:03 AM
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i missed a show on tv that i wanted to watch. Two magicians were going to perform jesuses miracles which i thought wold have been pretty cool. did anyone manage to watch that?
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01-01-2006, 12:04 PM
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I didnt see it but damn that wold have been cool.
Lol, is was probably Chris Angel, that Mindfreak guy. Would have been funny to see the show he'd put on. Love the tricks he does and all, but man is he over the top dramatic
Thats why I prefer watching David Blaine
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01-01-2006, 07:34 PM
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enough to know I think it's weird!
Man bo what's up with the weirdness?!!?!
No but seriously. I am reading a book right now called "Searching for God knows what" by Donald Miller. Freakin fantastic book.
He wrote about how it wasn't until the past hundred years or so that people started to dissect the bible scientifically. He taught at a christian college and asked the students what it takes to become a christian. They ended up with a list of like six things. Then he erased the board and asked what does it take for boy to date a girl.
One student said "well they need to know eachother"
and then no one could think of anything else to add to the list. One student finally said "It isn't exactly a scientific process"
I would say the same for matters of faith. We never picked apart faith with science until the recent centuries now that so many have decided to pick up a war banner against religions because they do want to believe in a power stronger than themselves. Well I just think that faith is what holds morality together. Faith in God, Faith that good people exist, Faith that we can live together peacefully.
I have been growing further and further away from church over the past year while growing closer and closer to this elusive Jesus I read about in the gospels. Regardless of what anyone may say the Jesus I read about was someone worth mimicking. He all but ignored the religious while concentrating his attention on the poor, the destitute and the forsaken. Magicians and South Park may mock his miracles now and say it was mere illusions performed in a crowd but I have to believe that there is a God and if there is a God then why wouldn't the dead walk and the blind see? In the gospels every time Jesus healed someone he told them to tell no one. I don't think he ever did the miracles for the fame or the fortune and if he was doing it for that, well alot of good it got him. The Jesus I read about did those things because He loved people. I want to love people like that. I want to be like my Jesus.
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01-02-2006, 07:50 AM
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P.S. Any TPunks into Scientology???
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01-02-2006, 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by zylah@Jan 1 2006, 05:03 PM
i missed a show on tv that i wanted to watch. Two magicians were going to perform jesuses miracles which i thought wold have been pretty cool. did anyone manage to watch that?
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yeah it was as funny as hell, it was these two scottish dudes
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01-02-2006, 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by TheJake@Jan 2 2006, 01:34 AM
The Jesus I read about did those things because He loved people. I want to love people like that. I want to be like my Jesus.
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Jake: That is the sweetest thing I've hear anyone say about their faith in a really long time!!
PS: perhaps you dont need that chain and cross after all. LOL
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01-02-2006, 09:54 PM
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I am going to buy myself a one way ticket to buenos aires you keep talking like that flor!
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01-06-2006, 04:49 PM
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i'm a devout sally yoshinan... ahhhh - sweet salvation! HO!
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01-06-2006, 04:54 PM
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on the census I am officially JEDHI :greenguy:
My whole family is in fact
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01-06-2006, 04:57 PM
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01-07-2006, 01:15 PM
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The Second Factor: The Babel Factor, The Splintering Of The Human Race Into Hostile Religions
And then they phased off the colony planet. Pretty much just left without closing the laboratory door, apparently beginning around 1250 B.C.. The foreman-kings are suddenly depicted in the stone carvings standing where they used to stand when listening to instructions from the master pointing to the master's now empty chair in utter dismay. The laments are still engraved in the clay tablets "What do I do when my master is no longer here to instruct me...what shall I tell the people." We went into grief, despair, denial. We blamed ourselves and looked to the sky for their return. The good kings did their best, the leaders sometimes were told to go up the mountain to get some instructions long distance from space or make a wooden box lined with metal just so to act as a receiver. "Now hear this". Finally we were alone and in confusion, beginning to fight over who still knew what the master really said, really meant, what we really should be doing if he did show up. Service at their table transmuted into ritual sacrifice of food, attendance at their baths turned into bathing and clothing of surrogate statues of them and gradually the routine services turned into cargo cult rituals and their palaces became empty temples. And the less than good kings began to take advantage, began to swagger. Sometimes they got away with it on their own. Sometimes the people, in desperation, raised their king to a symbolic god. And the god-king and the seed of the notion of the divine right of kings became. And the chief servants went along with it because it was to their advantage to become known as priests or to preserve their jobs and status. And those who had been taught, seeing that the advanced knowledge of technologies and science and the arts, learned as part of their function, of writing, mathematics, astronomy, science, metallurgy, and the fine crafts in general was being lost set an agenda to preserve it. In the face of misunderstanding and threat they disguised it, withdrew it, hid it. And the "occult" became.
Eventually, the situation evolved to a very macabre stage. In an effort to demonstrate our subservience and zeal to make things right if they would just come back we kept the rules, we maintained the routines of service but , after a long time of disappointment, we reached a point of abject, abysmal desperation where we would do anything to get them to come back -- and we did. Remembering the Nefilim males' attraction to our young women, we began to cut their hearts out on top of the empty pyramidal palaces in a collective craven pleading shriek to the heavens from whence they had come and gone. But that unspeakable and unappreciated horror could not last: we began to doubt, to entertain frightening cynicism, secret thoughts of independence and why bother.
Slowly a classic dissociative process developed due to separation in time and we began to sublimate the flesh and blood Nefilim into cosmic absolutes and their personalities into mythic archetypes. Looking back over the history of our species the traumatic transition we have gone through might well be characterized as the creation of the concept of a cosmic God by us, through a series of psychological mutational phases. Eventually, we simply began to forget.
The transition from species amnesia to species maturity has been a very traumatic passage. Breaking the godspell has seen us go through the stages of abandonment to dissociation, to transmutation to religion to rebellion and now to recovery. It is analogous to the dysfunctional family syndrome on a planetary scale.
So, down to our day, incredibly, we have remained still Babel-factored for good crowd control, broken into tribes each proprietarily telling the other that ours is the only accurate tradition of what some particular “god” intended, what rules to follow, what we should be doing to demonstrate we are still loyal and docile servants. Sometimes we just kill each other over it. And persecutions, Crusades, Jihads, Inquisitions, evil empires, the saved and the damned, the martyr, the infidel, the saint, the protestant, the fundamentalist, the atheist, became -- and remain.
Gardner has made the case (Bloodline Of The Holy Grail, Genesis Of the Grail Kings) that when the Old Testament referred to The Lord (Adonai, Enki) it was when good things were being done to or for the Hebrews.* When terrible things were being done or allowed to happen to them, the reference was always to Jehovah/Yahweh, Enlil) and it was to Enlil’s dominance that they finally capitulated and worshipped in fear.* Enki (The Lord, Adonai) initiated a bloodline of human leaders, further enhanced with Anunnaki genes and taught the advanced scientific knowledge they possessed (Gardner).* This royal bloodline, coming down through David and the anointed messiehs (anointed ones) was recognized but treated ambiguously by the large faction of the Hebrews who paid allegiance to Enlil.* The Old Testament, a collection of books from which some considered unacceptable were excluded because they would contradict the forgeries necessary to establish Enlil as supreme, promulgates a religious attitude based in subservience and “fear of God”.* It is this attitude, an extension of the ancient master-slave relationship which is at root of Western culture and the pervasive looking to the holders of power and dominance as ultimate and often absolute authority.
The scenario replayed itself when the strain of Judaism that eventually became known as Christian allied itself with Rome and became the Roman Church. It perpetuated the Enlil type fear of God tradition and, in its turn, suppressed, persecuted and brutalized the human-centered strain of Christianity springing from the tradition fostered by Enki.
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Cliffnotes version: We were bred from Homo Erectus and alien DNA to create a hybrid slave race. Our masters (aka "gods") were actually our alien forefathers whom we slowly deified after their disappearance. Most of our religions are thus essentially primitive cargo cults... Now put THAT in ya pipes and smoke it, fellas!
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01-07-2006, 03:50 PM
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bwahahahahahhahahahahaha
I love that theory voyd. It always makes laugh.
No but seriously. I was talking to a friend who had gone to see that paralyzed physicst... whats his name... Anyway he had gone to hear that guy type and wanted to know his thoughts on where life came from. My friend was in a spiritual crises of sorts and here is one of the most brilliant thinkers of our time, who revolutionized black hole matter theories and all that jazz... essentially qouting from Stargate SG-1 on where he supposes we all came from.
I think what I find most fascinating about it is that people are so quick to jump to the conclusion that the biblical creation story is wrong but believe that creation through an alien race is more believable. It boggles my brain. Maybe it's just me.
Still it doesn't explain why we wear clothes.
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01-08-2006, 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by TheJake@Jan 7 2006, 05:50 PM
No but seriously. I was talking to a friend who had gone to see that paralyzed physicst... whats his name... Anyway he had gone to hear that guy type and wanted to know his thoughts on where life came from. My friend was in a spiritual crises of sorts and here is one of the most brilliant thinkers of our time, who revolutionized black hole matter theories and all that jazz... essentially qouting from Stargate SG-1 on where he supposes we all came from.
I think what I find most fascinating about it is that people are so quick to jump to the conclusion that the biblical creation story is wrong but believe that creation through an alien race is more believable. It boggles my brain. Maybe it's just me.
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Woa, your friend asked Stephen Hawkings that question - and HE replied with the Stargate theory?
Wow, that's a pretty ringing endorsement, if you ask me!
I find it harder to believe that people will believe in some vague notions of an omnipotent anthromorphic being rather than intelligent life from other planets, myself...
But no, it actually does explain why we wear clothes - as opposed to every other fully-native animal on this planet that fully-evolved here. It shows that we did NOT likely FULLY-evolve here, since we are actually not that well naturally-adapted to this planet - somewhat like a foreign species. Instead, part of us was the product of homegrown evolution (Homo Erectus) while the other foreign (alien) part is what causes us to "need" to wear clothes and cook our food, etc. In short, we could not survive too long naked in the wild without technicological support - unlike every other fully-homegrown creature on this planet.
Now, gather round the campfire, kids...as I'm about to tell you a real mindbender - what may be the TRUE history of mankind!
To make a long story short, Enki & Enlil (later collectively referred to as "God") were 2 Anunnaki alien half-brothers in charge of Earth gold-mining operations (for monoatomic gold? - hence why gold later became so revered by most cultures?) in E.din (East central Africa).
Humans were genetically-engineered there as a hybrid slave race to work the mines several hundred thousand years ago...
Enki and Enlil battled over these new hybrids - with Enki more sympathetic to our plight and Enlil disapproving of such tampering with Nature. Similar to current debates over GMO crops today...
For it was feared that humans might become too much like the Anunnaki aliens themselves - and challenge them for power or corrupt their race. Being a new part-Anunnaki creation, our full potential was unknown. Hence, humans were kicked out of E.din, dispersed from the Tower of Babel & destroyed in the Flood.
Remember, Enlil was angered when fellow Anunnaki ("sons of God") started knocking up the "daughters of men" (humans). This would be akin to scientists today creating a new hybrid race from chimps and humans - and then interbreedinng with them.
Hence, Enlil wanted all these "humalien" mutts destroyed in the Flood - to keep the human piss out of their Anunnaki base gene pool. Enki, who was the one who had actually created humans, wanted to save some instead. So, he chose Noah, who was "perfect in his generations." Meaning, his genetic bloodline was more "originally human" than alien with less later interbreeding. THIS is why the Bible has such an anal obsession with lineage. It's all about genetics and bloodlines (Holy Blood, Holy Grail)...not so much human "sins" or morality.
The whole thing is just one giant humalien soap opera.
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01-10-2006, 11:24 AM
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But no, it actually does explain why we wear clothes - as opposed to every other fully-native animal on this planet that fully-evolved here.* It shows that we did NOT likely FULLY-evolve here, since we are actually not that well naturally-adapted to this planet - somewhat like a foreign species.* Instead, part of us was the product of homegrown evolution (Homo Erectus) while the other foreign (alien) part is what causes us to "need" to wear clothes and cook our food, etc.* In short, we could not survive too long naked in the wild without technicological support - unlike every other fully-homegrown creature on this planet.
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Ok some mostly naked people, deffinantly not wearing enough clothes for warmth/protection, two pictures are of African tribes, The top one is of a member of the Himba, one of the last remaining hunter gather tribes in africa, the other is of a member of an amozonian tribe.
orginally we wouldn't have needed clothing, if the human race hadn't spread across the continents out of Africa, Clothes were adopted by the ever adapting and resiliant humans once we hit the europe, Russia, Northen America etc, and met one of Earths many, and frequent ice ages.
the amazonian, polynesian, Australasian etc tribes, later dropped the use of clothes as they were obselete/difficult to produce, in these sub tropical areas, which have simirlar climate to parts of Africa (The congo, Equitorial Guinea etc) whereas tribes of early man further north such as Huns Gauls, Celts, Native Americans, Mongolians, all in regions which suffered from more servere winters kept clothing, or in hotter conditions where the sun is harsher, such as the Aztecs (Mexico) and Mayans (Southern Mexico and Central America) would wear loose clothing for some respite from the sun, but if you look towards Peru and the Andes, the Incas (could build roads better than the romans from Peru, chile and northern Ecuador over 3000 miles) were in warm clothes like the North American and eurasian tribes people.
if we were made for mining, how come we can't see in the dark, are evolved for digging, or handle the pressures/temperatures and other affects of the geological gradient? and wheres the evidence for the mines? or was it surface mining?
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01-10-2006, 11:33 AM
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woah! Nicely countered Roz!
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01-10-2006, 11:38 AM
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Nicely done.
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Roz - Most every other above-ground land mammal has a fur coat - even those in hot climates like Africa. All other primates, including our closest relatives, chimps, also have fur coats. Even animals in the hottest savannahs...have fur coats. Therefore, there was probably never any biological "need" for us to lose our fur coats to begin with - only to later have to replace it with an artificial one (clothing).
Otherwise, wouldn't other animals under the very same conditions also have similarly lost their fur coats? Shouldn't ALL mammals in hot climates, NOT JUST HUMANS, have also become bare-skinned then - according to your logic??? Wouldn't there be a hairless equatorial zone around the world? I can think of 2 out of thousands of such animals - rhinos and elephants - but their skin is extremely thick and tough and they don't need to fear predators due to their size alone. However, the rest are pretty much all furry.
Yes, you could survive without fur under certain conditions, but overall it is probably more useful than not.
So, the bigger question then might be - why did we lose our fur to begin with? And if it wasn't due to natural adaptation to environmental factors, then what was it?
As far as mining - the aliens just wanted someone stronger and more servile than themselves, but smarter and more trainable than Homo Erectus. And it was probably easier and safer for them to use lights...than genetically-engineer them all night-vision? Also, modern humans work deep in mines today without any pressurization problems.
Ergo...Homo sapiens sapiens!
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01-10-2006, 12:32 PM
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woah! Nicely countered Roz!
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Humans do have a fur coat it's just very short and light, everyones body is covered in hair. I can also think of a few more animals that are hairless like pigs and moles there's more I'm sure.
We could have lost our thick coat for sexual purposes, sex can cause great adaptations in animals (peacock), but the main advantage of not having fur is sweating. Our ability to cool using water vapour is unique and allowed us to run down anyother animal on the plaines for food.
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Are you serious? When was the last time you could "run down" a jackrabbit on the plains? Also, all the hairless animals we have mentioned are exceedingly SLOW. Therefore, I don't think it has much to do with speed.
PS - Only domesticated pigs are bred furless - not wild ones.
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