My England Trip in Summer of 2003

[MolsonGirl]

Here's the link... I hope it works... no clue if it will... but there ya go... Fun names on all the pics!

http://img42.photobucket.com/albums/v129/F...lowersatrippin/

Password.. England

[MolsonGirl]

I recommend you look closely at the suit of armour... my favourite pic of all and the last one I took on my trip

[worldwidemike]

Fascinated by the armored codpiece, eh MG? Even with the steel there, I'd hate to get whacked on that spot by some big sharp axe...yikes!

Cool pics, MolsonGirl. I'm with you on the "no dorky shots of me in front of something..."

worldwidemike

[MolsonGirl]

Yeah I think I'm in one of them in front of a gate... but I'm tiny... so I threw that into the mix.

[llemus7]

Nice pictures MG. thanks for sharing.

Sure would not like to have a cock fight with that guy!

[Rozza]

so whos the kid on the lion at traffalga sqaure? and did u kno one of the first bare knuckle boxing gyms which was owned by a black man who won his freedom (this was in regencie times) was demolished so they could build traffalga squire, cool pics byr the way

[voyd]

Originally posted by Rozza@Apr 4 2004, 12:08 AM
black man who won his freedom (this was in regencie times)

Excuse the ignorance, but what was "regencie times?"

Did England have institutionalized black slavery like the US? If so, from when-to-when?

[Rozza]

sorry voyd i was mistaken it was in Georgen* times (my spelling can be compared to that with the likes of CD ) slavery was instirtionalized at exactly the same time as the U.S. but i think that britain abolished slavery at the same time as Northern states , i'm not sure of the exact dates, but there was a 'slavery triangle' in which ships would go to the west coast of africa, then to the carribean (cotton, coffee and such like) and east coast of america (with the cotton and coffee to be traded to inland cotton fields in southern states) then on to europe, or vis versa depending were the slavers were from, or got paid the most, i hope thats helped ur curiosity

*during the rein of king George III he became noticebly insane, and was locked away, during the time that his son ruled was known as Regency as he was the 'Prince Regent/Regal' a time of wide spread drinking and partying, George III was 'cured' and so ended the 'Regency' i think it became 'Regency' again after the Prince Regal/Regent became king, (sorry dont kno his name of hand i didn't think i knew all that either, yr 9 history is coming back again )

just seen Crouching Tigar, Hidden Dragon. (the movie that taught america to read subtitles aparently) it was amazine

[joanofarc]

i think the british did a lot of slave trading and supported/promoted slavery here in the states, but technically kept none (unpaid) in their homes/on their land.

[Rozza]

naa i'm quite sure that the Americans had slaves in there home and lands, especially in the southern states (texas alabama) cause along with other things the abolition of slavery was one of the main causes of the american civial war i think, (southern states want to keep slavery), and blues music originated in the fields of america

[joanofarc]

i was talking about the british though, rozza. miscommunication, perhaps... i edited my post to make it more clear.

[Rozza]

Originally posted by joanofarc@Apr 5 2004, 04:11 PM
miscommunication, perhaps... i edited my post to make it more clear.*

and by doing so mad me look stupid huyyyhhh naaa we did use slaves in the home, and in the colonies (god that sounds condersending) anyhoo, good pics moloson girl nice armour

[joanofarc]

hell... now i'm confused - i guess i better get to google-ing: hey mike! come to our rescue, you're the history buff!

[Rozza]

we were talking about history ??

[worldwidemike]

You're both right. At times in their histories -- like pretty much every part of the world -- both Britain and the U.S. allowed slavery. We all know that the U.S. fought a civil war to end the question. Britain outlawed slavery earlier, and actually did quite a bit to crusade against slavery world wide, once they changed their own minds.

Unfortunately, slavery is still practiced in the world. One of the worst offenders is the continent that was so gouged by it historically: Africa. The Sudan has been under international condemnation for years for its slave raiding by the Muslim north against the Christian and Animist south. There is even an anti-slavery group that goes over there and purchases slaves from their owners simply to free them.

worldwidemike

[beergal]

Wow interesting talk about slavery! Im a student at liverpool john moores university and have just wrote a paper on transatlantic slavery and thought i could clear up a few points for you if your interested?
The transatlantic slave trade had its origins in the trade initiated by the portugese in the 15th century. At this period a large number of enslaved africans could be found in portugal and spain with also some in italy france and holland. from the 16th century onwards there was a high demand for labour in the American colonies to meet plantation and mining demands which led to the transportation of millions of Africans. This was known as the triangular trade because it often involved 3 stages. Ships set sail from spain portugal the netherlands england france denmark and sweeden for the west coast of africa where captains would exchange goods for enslaved africans.
the second stage was the middle passage taking enslaved africans across the atlantic. Conditions on ships were harsh with estimates of around 8-20 million died either on the ships or on arrival from the conditions. Enslaved africans who survived the journey were sold and put to work on sugar coffe and tobacco plantations with other industries such as agriculture and mining. The final stage was when the ships returned to european ports with goods such as sugar, rum, coffee, tobacco and cotton.

British ships became the main suppliers of African slaves for the plantations of the West Indies and the southern British colonies in North America in the 18th Century. Liverpool ships took part in slaving voyages from at least 1700 until 1807 when slavery was abolished in the Houses of Parliament. Liverpool remained the prime slaving port of Britain and some historians have even argued that Liverpool was the capital of the slave trade! There were indeed a small minority of Africans that were brought to the united Kingdom and small communities could indeed be found particularly in Bristol during the 18th century ( a book you may find interesting dealing with this subject is by Pip Jones called The Black Population of Bristol in the 18th Century, it is published by the Bristol Branch of the historical association.) Another book is an autobiography of a black man who was brought to england and bought his freedom, if it is still in print it is by Olaudah Equiano and its title is the life of Oladuah Equiano or gustavus Vassa the african, it is published by Longman.
The slave trade made a crucial contribution to the city of Liverpools growing prosperity, it can even be suggested that if it wasnt for liverpools role in the slave trade the industrial revolution in the United kingdom would have been much slower.
In britain attitudes to slavery and the slave trade began changing in the late 18th century, some religious groups particularly the quakers were advocating for better treatment of slaves. Enslaved Africans also began resisting enslavement with plantation owners arguing that slavery was not a cheap option. with the abolishment of slavery being passed in 1807 in Britain it took nearly 60 years for other countries to follow suit.

Finally there is an exhibition in Liverpool at their maratime museum at the ALBERT DOCKS it has some amazing artefacts.

Hope this helps everyone
Beergal x

[Rozza]

.... well what can i say.... THANKS FOR THE INFO BEERGAL1 are you studing history??

[beergal]

No not history Rozza, im studying european studies (Politics/history/geography) but i had to do a 2000 word report on the slave trade in Britain ha ha

[voyd]

Originally posted by beergal1@Jun 8 2004, 10:16 PM
There were indeed a small minority of Africans that were brought to the united Kingdom and small communities could indeed be found particularly in Bristol during the 18th century

Interesting. So, were these SLAVE or FREE Black communities in Britain at that time?

[beergal]

Im not a history buff on slavery but there was indeed a small minority of free blacks who had bought their freedom, these areas can be found in London, Toxteth in Liverpool and St Pauls in Bristol we are talking very small communities