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**MeTurk** · 01-11-2006, 06:55 AM

Ya I serious,

Running down pray is the oldest form of hunting. It's still practised in parts of Africa. Obviously I couldn't do it as I'm a lasy westerner, but it's more than likely how we started hunting. The wild Afircan dog has a similer system except we pick the best animal rather than the easiest to catch.

A group of men single out one (wilder beast, or gazelle) and separate it from the heard they jog after the pray until it looks tired (this is easier than it sounds as their only built for short bursts of speed and only respond to immanent threats). When the pray is obviously tired the best runner runs after the pray until it simply collapses from exhaustion. Then it’s speared, although this is mostly symbolic as it’s as good as dead from over heating. It takes hours and covers miles but it's more or less guaranteed to work.

**Rozza** · 01-11-2006, 09:27 AM

meturk isn't lying voyd, the hunters will usually pick male animals as the large antlers ment that the animal would tire at a faster rate.

as for hairless land mammals Elephants, rhinos and hipos, like you said, and thick skinned, but what causes tough skin? external environment, if you take a new born pups paw, the pads are soft and fleshy, and later become thick, and tough, human feet remain soft and fleshy because we wear socks and shoes, devices which lock moisture next to the skin, keeping it soft, and causing the various conditions such as athletes foot and other fungi.

But its all about type of fur, in many animals, fur coats are effective cooling systems aswell as the more generic idea of insolation. for example, a polar bear has several types of fur coat, all year round, as they don't shed their coats. Polar bears have a very thick wool like coat, and a densely packed, longer haired coat ontop of that, and even this is not sufficient for the animal to stay relativly warm, polar bears are the heaviest bears in the world, yet Kodiaks and Grizzelies are bigger, due to their compact build and fat layers.

A lions coat, or any other African Savanaha animal's coat (with the exception of some nocturnal rodants and other small mammals) have very coarse coats, close to their skin. no layers, and not dense, which suggests that the coats aren't the main source of insolation within large mammals in Desert parts of Africa. (also look at Zebras (very close to skin, very short, coarse hair) compaired to say a shetland pony (several layers, thicken woolen like layer close to skin, and longer, coarser layers)

looking at our closets 'relatives' chimps and other primates. Chimps have a very sparadic (sp?) hair coverage, long coarse hair isn't that effective at keeping an animal warm unless combind with layers of shorter, woolen fur. a type of fur coat which can be seen in Mountain Gorrilla's, but these live at high altitudes in dense rain forest, not on the open plains (why we walk up right,).

Thats takes me to another point. the fact that we walk upright is extremely effecient when it comes to regulating body temp, especially when combind with our ability to sweat. and we do have hair where it counts, in adults we have hair on top of our head, where we happen to lose most heat, and in areas where there are particularly active glands such as under the armpits and the pubic regions.
So with the upright walking and the subsequent effiecency when it comes to conserving energy, various upright Hominids would have had no 'need' to keep their fur coats,

Our mines are not particularly deep, and it is still extremely uncomfortable for humans, and i presume all other indiginous large animals , the deepest mine in the world is a mere 3.3km, and the temperatures are at a 50 celecius, the deepest bore holes, are only 5km, and these mines are found in one of Earths continental shield zones, which are some of the thickest parts of crust, and the most stable, since they are not affected by edge plate tectonics (being at the centre of the continents and subsequent plates) and are also the oldest, being billions of years old. these continental shields can be found in Australia, Africa(the location of the mines), Brazil, Canada, Siberia.

And where is the archilogical evidence from mines of the Anunnaki?

**LiveFreeorDie** · 01-11-2006, 10:45 AM

I am wondering how much the continually evolving tool use of human ancestors may have played a part in the evolution of our form as well. Just think, if say, a couple of million years ago some of the early hominids figured out it would keep them warmer in the cool times to wear animal skins, could long term use of 'clothing' having allowed hominids to gradually become more hairless? It certainly seems it would be more efficient to be hairless and add clothes when you are cold, but then have the option of removing them when it is hot. In spite of the fact that all other mammals generally have fur, it must be a more efficient cooling mechanism to have no hair. I have no idea exactly when human ancestors became tool users and if it was only a couple of hundred thousand years ago, then that theory is out the window.

I guess, though, it would be hard to pin down exactly when we started wearing some type of protective covering as the remains of those early garments would not fossilize or remain intact in any way due to their soft tissue composition.

I tend to agree with Voyd that it is more implausible to me to believe in a mysterious God then it is to believe in life on other planets or even that life from other planets visiting earth could have played a part in the development of our myths and legends (i.e. religions). BTW if you want to read an interesting science fiction series that deals with this exact issue, check out James P. Hogan's Giant Series quite an interesting spin on evolution of homo sapiens.

**omisan** · 01-11-2006, 11:05 AM

As someone of half-Middle Eastern descent, I'd like to posit that a huge segment of the human population is NOT hairless! A big shout out to my Mediterranean, Italian, and Israeli brothers - and sisters! Hurray for natural sweaters!

**Rozza** · 01-11-2006, 11:18 AM

creation? meh, hair today, Gone tomorow!

**MeTurk** · 01-12-2006, 06:08 AM

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I have no idea exactly when human ancestors became tool users and if it was only a couple of hundred thousand years ago, then that theory is out the window.

Chimps use tools so I'd say we've been using them for about 1 million years. Our development was very slow up to 70,000 years ago when there seems to be an explosion in art and general creativity.

Most Europeans are hairy I heard once that it might be because the humans bread with the neanderthals when they moved up from Africa.

**LiveFreeorDie** · 01-12-2006, 03:47 PM

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A big shout out to my Mediterranean, Italian, and Israeli brothers - and sisters! Hurray for natural sweaters!

See, that kind of proves my hypothesis. Peeps who live in warmer regions would never have had to experiemnt with wearing animal skins and so would have had far less of an evolutionary tendency to lose their body hair. (okay so its weak but I like it anyway).

**agriadam** · 05-04-2006, 07:15 PM

hmmm never really read this thread before cause I figured it would get ugly and would be a waste of my time.... other than a little ignorance it goes well...

Hmmm my religion? don't really have one... maybe Scientology??? hahahah just kidding. no I don't really like to use agnostic cause it's kind of the trendy thing to say these days...

When I was growing up my parents never made us go to church or any of that, I 've never read the bible... could care less to (it's a big friggin book)

but I think I have to agree with Matt on his saying you know the big ones don't murder, don't steal, don't fuck around on your wife... the eating a chicken leg thing kinda gets me... so you've never had a drumstick Matt? bit weird but maybe not, anyone else heard that? any reason why?

so to sum things up... live you life and travel is my religion.

**TheJake** · 01-07-2007, 09:47 AM

Ok Kids,
A bit of an update. When I started this thread I had to have been smoking something. It's amazing to me that over the course of the last two years I have changed so much so that I don't even recognize my own words anymore and can hardly believe that I ever wrote them.
I am in a completely different place now and love it. I am officially not a christian for the first time in 22 years and I am not looking for anything else. I feel like I am in a good place.

**Delaney** · 01-08-2007, 09:06 AM

Jake,
Good for you for feeling like you are in a good place. I am curious, how have you changed? Why did it happen?

Totally just curious. I am not religious at all (a scientist, though I won't throw out the notion of a higher being) and I am just curious and like to hear about people's thoughts and feelings evolve...

**TheJake** · 01-08-2007, 11:25 AM

I think it was a gradual realization that I may have been programmed to believe something and then I became aware of the fact that what I was taught doesn't so much line up with what I see and many times doesn't even line up with what it says about itself...if that makes sense...

**millmuff** · 01-08-2007, 11:51 AM

I read this thread a long time ago but figured what's the point. After seeing people back at it I had to check it out again. I thought it was really interesting to see your last post compared to your first one Jake. I really believe that what you said about being programmed happens to a lot of people and it's kinda sad.

Wouldn't it be nice if everyone could travel and meet people and read books before they are "this or that". So many people are "raised" a certain way or forced into a religion and it isn't until later in there life that they question it or find out what is truly for them.

To me it all comes down to where you are in your life, and where you want to go. If doing something or believing in something makes you stronger or a better person then go for it because no one really knows why were here or even what the hell we're doing. Anyways thats my two cents....thats for starting this post Jake. Peace:D

**Delaney** · 01-08-2007, 01:19 PM

Thanks for responding Jake and to MillMuff, I completely agree:

To me it all comes down to where you are in your life, and where you want to go. If doing something or believing in something makes you stronger or a better person then go for it because no one really knows why were here or even what the hell we're doing.

**BigE** · 01-30-2007, 03:56 AM

Would like to see this post revived. You would never guess where I have been in regards to religion. I guess it would serve my purpose here not to say too much. On the other hand, I really have nothing to lose.

I am a Roman Catholic and was brought up in a very Roman Catholic household. I was in two Roman Catholic seminaries for 8 years and I hated one seminary and loved the other one. I received one of the best intellectual educations anyone could ever receive. Four of my eight years were devoted to liberal arts and philosophy and the other four years were devoted to theology and it's practical applications.

I am what we call "orthodox." Even if I were to become an agnostic. I would remain orthodox. Why? Because I don't think Catholicism can or should be presented in a way that it would cease to be Catholicism. The same would be true of any other religion. While there is a diversity of practices in Catholicism according to ethnicity or rites, the essence remains the same.

I suppose the above would shock many of you. If you were to read anything I posted in "Lets Talk About Sex," you will see that I know hardly anything about the topic beyond the abstract.

My problem with religion is with those who practice their religion. If their religious doctrine says for them to do one thing, they often do another. Christianity, for the most part, understands the falleness of humanity. On the other hand, how many times do I need to see selfishness when Christians are called to love another. Where is the love?

I guess I can agree in certitude with many of you: I believe in travel.

**florencia9699** · 01-30-2007, 04:57 AM

I think I'll have to say IDEM to all of the above. (Well... exept the seminarie part).

BigE, did you get ordained?? (is that even a word in English?)

**BigE** · 01-30-2007, 05:32 AM

Yes, it is an English word. I was ordained.

**TheJake** · 03-03-2007, 12:41 PM

I posted this on facebook and myspace for my christian friends to see since I keep getting happy "jesus camp" type stuff from them. Thought this would be a good place to throw it on here as well.

To all my christian friends. I would like for it be known that I have walked away from "the faith" that we have all held onto for so long. I developed way too many questions and found few to answers and therefore had to step back and re-evaluate what I believed and why. The "what" and "why" when really looked at astonished me and brought me to the realization that I had no business associating myself with the church or the christian faith. It's a definite reminder of where I have come from and maybe someday if I can get around all the issues in my path, i'll return. maybe.

Please don't try to argue with me or debate it. Many of you who grew up with me know that I can quote the Bible and debate it as well as anyone. My soul won't be won with words or descriptions of feelings. Like "Doubting Thomas" I just want to see Jesus for myself. Thought you should know.

I found this poem and it somewhat express the feelings I currently have about where I am at.

I woke up to an empty room

No more angels watching over me.
No more demons to be held at bay
by the invocation of
an Anglicized version
of a Hellenized version
of a Hebrew name

I woke up to an empty room:

Just a room. Four walls, ceiling, floor.
Just a room. Nothing more.

I woke up to an empty room
and embraced the solid air.

I woke up to an empty room and knew myself awake.

**lost in texas** · 03-03-2007, 08:48 PM

I had a similar talk with only a couple of my old church friends, but for the most part just slipped out the back door... if they can accept where you're at without things getting weird-- those are friends worth keeping.

That's an incredible poem, I remember mornings that felt like that.

phesquire · 03-03-2007, 08:56 PM

Haha!! Jake, you probably could blow your brains out at the moment!

As long as you find purpose in your life, I think thats the key...

**MolsonGirl** · 03-04-2007, 09:12 AM

I was born into a non practicing protestant family and have always been allowed to follow my heart in terms of religion and have found that i am not a religious person. I wouldn't go as far as to say I'm an Atheist, but on a scale of 1 - 10 (1 being sure of a god and 10 being convince there is no god) I would be an 8.5