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Old 10-28-2007, 10:05 AM   #1
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so for those who didn't read my stupid thread about my flight question (to lazy to go link it), I will summarize my craziness.

I saw that Celine Dion's word tour started in February and I knew for sure I was going to be on my post deployment block leave from June 5th to July 7th, so out of curiosity, I wanted to see where she was playing during my leave time... and it turns out she's in Germany mainly then. Awesome. So I checked seating in Frankfurt (I went to check it as soon as the fanclub presale opened... I am a tool, I know! ) and I got row 9 which was unacceptable to me. So I tried the only other place I'd never heard of thinking no one else would try this location, so I picked her show in Stuttgart, and voila! I got row 1, seat 18 (aka FRONT AND CENTER!). not expecting that, I nearly threw up from sheer excitement. I realized I had 2 minutes to decide if I wanted the seat before it gave it up for me, and I had an outer body experience after that, and whoever took over my body while i was away bought the ticket without knowing how much it cosrt (because the price was in Euros), and now I have a ticket that I cannot sell because it was a fanclub purchase, and I'm going to Germany!!

So now that you all understand I am a huge tool, I plan on staying, now that I've decided, around 3 weeks. I debated the time because I will have just been back from deployment (by 2 months anyway, and this is my first amont of big leave home, besides long weekends I'll have off every weekend to go home), but I am also moving home a month later and people can visit me then. :D So I have decided to make this a little European adventure.

This is my first multi-country trip, so I will need the assistance of you well-seasoned veterans.

Here's my list of places I want to go:
-Munich
-Stuttgart
-Brussels
-Prague
-Krakow
-Paris (I will be in the vicinity and only want to spend 2 days max there to see the Louvre and Monet's house & gardens)
-Amsterdam
-Vienna

Also considering a few other places in Germany... Cologne & Bonn... I don't know. This is a little much for only three weeks isn't it? I mean, honestly, I want to spend NO MORE than 2 days in Paris, and I want to see Krakow a day and see the Auschwitz-Birkenau site.

The only place I HAVE to be is June 18th, in Stuttgard for the concert. So I'm checking places to fly into for cheap airfare and I guess just going to build my trip around that. My dates are pretty flexible. If I had to eliminate a city or 2, I guess I could shit-can Vienna and maybe Brussels or Prague, but going to Krakow and A-dam is a MUST, and I honestly don't know if I will ever go to Paris again (just not all about Paris like some people are... but I do want to go because I will be in the vicinity).

So I assume I'm going to need a eurorail pass, yes?

Okay I'm leaving this long-winded post here. Let me know what you all think, etc.
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When I went to Europe Paris was my last stop, and with all the amazing stuff that I had seen in over 30 days I wondered if Paris would live up to my expectations and all the hype. And let me tell you, it just blew my mind!! I looooved it and would looove to live there someday.

That being said, there's so much going on in that city, two days is nothing really. If I were you, I'd see more oof Germany, like Berlin. Everyone says that that city is fantastic. My ex-b/f is living in Munich now and he absolutely loves sit there.

I would skip Paris for this trip (you have to travel waaaay west for that) and concentrate on stuff close to teh concert. If you make it to Munich you could check out Salzbourg whicjh is teribluy close (and you get to see two cities in Austria).

Alsdo close to Munich is the Neuschwanstein Castle which is supposed to be amazing!

Anyways, my two cents is concenrate on cities close together and not Paris which is totally spread out.
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you know my best friend (who studied for a whole summer in paris) said the same thing, that once I got there that there would be so much I wnated to do that I should save it. and I really do want to see more of germany.my great aunt is a bonn native and current resident and it would be nice if I went to visit her...
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You should just follow Celine on her tour, and attend every show. Channel your inner-Phish fan
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omg I could be a groupie!!

here are her tour dates for when I will be on leave...

July 5, 2008 Stade C. Erhmann Nikaia Nice, France
July 01, 2008 Stadthalle Wien Vienna, Austria
June 24, 2008 Hallenstadion Zurich, Switzerland
June 22, 2008 Olympiastadion Munich, Germany
June 18, 2008 Koelnarena Cologne, Germany
June 16, 2008 Schleyerhalle Stuttgart, Germany
June 14, 2008 Commerzbank Arena Frankfurt, Germany
June 12, 2008 Waldbuehne Berlin, Germany
June 10, 2008 Color-Line Arena Hamburg, Germany
June 07, 2008 AB Stockholm Globe Arena Stockholm, Sweden
June 05, 2008 Parken Copenhagen, Denmark
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I'm assuming the list was not in order right?

Let's say you take your leave starting June 5th + 21 days = June 28th...

June
5-7 - Amsterdam
7-11 - Berlin-> Prague
11-14 - Krakow (You may not want to be in Krakow long but it is really far East in Poland)
15-19 - Munich/Stuttgart (you may be able to go as a day trip from Munich depending on when the concert ends)
20-23 - Paris
23-28 - Brussels/Brugge (I'd stay in Brugge and make a daytrip to Brussels) and Amsterdam

In Munich, I wholeheartedly recommend "The Wombat" which is one of the best hostels I have ever stayed in. Marc had some good suggestions for hotels in A'dam and Brugge if you dig through the recommendations. Sir Toby's in Prague is usually highly rated. Krakow has tons of recommended cheap hostels.

And I would definitely get a rail pass for Benelux, France, Germany. I don't think you need it for getting to Krakow and Prague...

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sweet I like that itenerary... and if I decide not to do Paris, I can keep the same timeline and switch out Bonn & Cologne for Paris.

I've scoured the boards for some good hostel reccs.... I haven't found any for Bonn-Cologne (maybe all ask expatben since he is lover of all things Germany ) and Brussels.

Also, for a 2.5-3 week trip is my 55L pack good enough (I also will have a messenger bag-type daypack), or should I go for something bigger?

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checking airfare (I just spent an hour and a half on kayak, checking like 10 different destinations from c-bus, cincy, dayton, raleigh, and charlotte), and it looks like no matter where I fly out of, the three cheapest cities to fly into are #1 zurich (884 from c-bus), #2 frankfurt (885 from c-bus), and #3 amsterdam (1063 from c-bus)...
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have u checked travelzoo? most of the time they have some good sales going on from various US cities to various European cities. u may need to wait a month or two before they start advertising the summer fares tho.

of course I have to echo everyone's Berlin suggestion, but another place I have heard good things about is Dresden, which is a few hours south of Berlin. hur111 just visited and so did expatben so maybe they can chime in here

55L is def enough for your trip. I took a 60L for 2.5 months but that was too much for me so just last week I got a new 45L pack.
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checking airfare (I just spent an hour and a half on kayak, checking like 10 different destinations from c-bus, cincy, dayton, raleigh, and charlotte), and it looks like no matter where I fly out of, the three cheapest cities to fly into are #1 zurich (884 from c-bus), #2 frankfurt (885 from c-bus), and #3 amsterdam (1063 from c-bus)...
Zurich would be cool but you'd have to add Switzerland to your rail pass. I have wanted to check out Interlaken for a while!

I meant to add to my previous post that I went to Koln for a few hours (just to see the cathedral which could be done in a real pinch, in one hour on a layover in Koln since it is next to the train station.).

In a long trip from Munich you could spend four hours in the morning heading to Koln, five hours in town, and four hours later you'd be arriving in Paris...or you could take a night train into Paris to stay longer.

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If I were you I'd probably leave out either Paris or Krakow..they both seem a bit out of your way for a 3 week trip.

Most people i speak to dont really like brussels, and like someone already mentioned, brugge is apparently much nicer.

Stuttgart is really nice by the way, i good friend of mine lives there, i went to visit a few weeks ago.
As much as I love köln as a place to live, there isnt that much to see here as a tourist...the cathedral is incredible though, and along the river is really nice. Everyone here is really friendy, and the beer tastes great too!

Bonn is beautiful but quite small. It hardly got bombed during the war so lots of old buildings and nice squares. Bonn could easily be done on a day trip from Köln, its only 20/30 minutes away on the train, and its really quiet at night, i think everyone goes out in Köln in the evenings. If youve got family here im sure you'd find stuff to do.

As for hostels, I only know of one in Köln. a couple of friends stayed there a few weeks ago and said it was fine. I think its called "Station hostel" or something.
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yeah I am thinking I may shit-can Paris until another time, so I can spend more time in Germany. I'm not really even looking for places with things to do 24/7, I hear a lot of places are just beautiful and I'd like to just kick it and take in the sights. And of coruse drink some beer!

Krakow is non-negotiable, and I don't even care if I spend half the time traveling and zero time in Krakow. As long as I get to go to the Auschwitz-Birkenau site, I am good to go. I promised myself if I went on this trip that was one of the must-do's, besides the concert. But I think you're right about Paris, as much as it pains me.

I'm thinking Zurich would be cool as well, ahhh so many choices, I wish I could make this trip longer! I just need to do what economically makes the most sense... but I am the queen of cutting corners during travel lol. Anything to stay longer!
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If you haven't bought your ticket, yet, start checking all major European gateways from the states. I can probably get you from Columbus to the gateway real cheap on a buddy pass. I'd offer Europe, too, but it'll probably be too full and I'd hate for you to not be able to get on your transatlantic.

So, check New York, Philly, Chicago, Dulles, etc...and leave out your leg from Columbus. You might find something a lot cheaper...

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nope haven't bought anything yet, I'm going to most likely wait until after Christmas, since it's early yet, but I'll check those out, thanks WWM!
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Couple of thoughts for you:

Being military, be sure to check out the MWR accommodations guide (any base library will have a copy, or you can buy one at a BX/PX, or check it out through MWR facilities.) There are a ton of bases all over Germany, at which you may be able to stay in billeting relatively cheaply. I know there's a base in Stuttgart, but I don't know what it's called. There are also recreational facilities, like Edelweis Lodge in Garmisch which have really good rates on some of their rooms, and on tours as well (like Neueschwanstein/Linderhof castles).

Also, Spangdahlem/Bitburg AFB is about 2 hours train ride from Koln, which is a very pleasant place to spend a day. About an hour in the other direction by train is Trier, which is also a great city to explore.

If you're flying into Berlin, it's probably best to hit Krakow at the beginning of your trip, since that's the closest you'll ever be and the train connections are not awful. (I think you'd go Berlin-Kunowice-Poznan-Krakow, more or less, and could probably do it overnight - but might have to change somewhere along the way. Going to Warsaw I did, but that was MANY moons ago.)

In total I've spent about 8 days in Krakow, on two separate visits, and for various reasons, didn't even make it out to Auschwitz, so you could easily spend several days there. I would happily go back every year, it's one of my favourite cities in the world. Of course, make Auschwitz your priority, but give the city itself at least two days if you can. It's truly magnificent. Personally, I'd bypass Prague in the summer, maybe do a special Paris/Prague trip down the road.

I recently spent a fun couple of days in Munich, Schloss Nyphemburg was a pleasant day trip that even my four kids enjoyed. We stayed at a gasthaus out in the suburbs (Gilching), but the train was about 5 minutes from our hotel, so it was only a matter of 20 minutes from our digs to the centre. When looking for places to stay, consider taking a glance at the transit maps to see if a cheaper hostel in the suburbs will suit you. I couldn't find a hostel in Gilching, but there are dozens of other small communities on the rail line that might offer something suitable. I enjoy staying in suburban areas and especially taking commuter trains into the city, since it gives you a different look at everyday life in a place than you might get by staying in the centre.

When looking for airfares, consider also Luxembourg City, Brussels and Koln as gateways. There aren't a lot of international flights that come in, but you might find yourself a good deal, and they offer easy access to other cities you want to visit.

Good luck with the planning.
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thanks for all the info tumblezweedz!!! I never thought of Luxemborg for airfare, I did check Brussels though and it was one of the more outrageous. I'll check out Lux though.

I think with this trip I will have to exercise some self control here and be realisitic about where I am actually going to go. I want to leave no stone unturned in Germany, and really my priorities are the concert and seeing Auschwitz. I think I am going to shit-can Brussels, everyone I have talked to so far has not been impressed. I think Paris is definately out. But I would like to see A-dam and Prague. Ahhhhhh so frustrating!
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Belgium was indescribably boring when I was there, but it was on a family trip and they were having a nasty heat wave at the time so I'm not sure I can give a fair review...
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